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Post by evileeyore on Aug 26, 2021 23:51:27 GMT
Then I imagine this will really get your dander up. Dander up enough I already had that link in my post, yes. But then I've always been against being able to fire people over their politics or religion. Always funny how some Democrats are okay with the idea though (same on the Repub side, so firing over politics/religion is a bipartisan ideal). |
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Post by cyphersmith on Aug 27, 2021 3:58:36 GMT
Then I imagine this will really get your dander up. Dander up enough I already had that link in my post, yes. But then I've always been against being able to fire people over their politics or religion. Always funny how some Democrats are okay with the idea though (same on the Repub side, so firing over politics/religion is a bipartisan ideal). The link wrapper this site uses sucks. It didn't look like it, still doesn't, and I was at work, which blocks that as untrustworthy. If you are going to deny unemployment for being fired for cause, I can understand the state's determination that a vaccine requirement is reasonable except when medical reasons prevent vaccination. I'm not really in favor of it, but then I'm not in favor of unemployment being denied for most reasons. There are GOOD reasons to quit, for example, but it's difficult (though not impossible) to get unemployment when you quit for them. I honestly don't see firing people for not following a health policy as being fired for politics, though. |
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Post by kirinke on Aug 27, 2021 11:32:40 GMT
Nope, being fired for not getting a vaccine shot (medical reasons aside) is so you don't spread your sickness to people who truly can't get the vaccine for medical reasons.
Fuck anti-vaxxers and their feelings.
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Post by cyphersmith on Aug 27, 2021 21:45:00 GMT
I'll just wait to be correct again and again because, unlike you two dolts, I understand the subject matter and I understand the deeper implications of the integrated set of published information. ADE (the primary warning against moving forward with human trials for all precursor coronavirus vaccine trials), vaccine-resistant strains, and large swathes of the population who will be injured by these vaccines due to no statistically-significant dataset to provide contraindications from and with no way to sue for damages - all of these situations are coming. Here's something that might help you understand the history of the science behind the mRNA vaccines (and please note, not all of the vaccines are mRNA vaccines). It's a history more than 2 decades old, not including the science behind how mRNA works, which is significantly older. |
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Post by evileeyore on Aug 28, 2021 6:16:03 GMT
If you are going to deny unemployment for being fired for cause, I can understand the state's determination that a vaccine requirement is reasonable except when medical reasons prevent vaccination. I'm not following how A leads to B here. There is a vast gulf between "firing for cause is grounds for denying unemployment" and "being non-vaccinated is just cause for firing". I get you then continue to go somewhere with "I'm against denying unemployment", but that's still not what I'm talking about (for the record Unemplyment insurance is insurance against being unemployed and should be so for any reason, but then it largely is in Florida). Now we're getting back to the discussion... so is it okay to fire someone over religion? And then from there that follows, I argue that for many politics are their religion (frex: kirinke), therefore is it still okay to fire someone over their politics? And no bones, anti-vax is very much a politics and religious thing for the anti-vaxers. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Aug 28, 2021 12:05:03 GMT
I'll just wait to be correct again and again because, unlike you two dolts, I understand the subject matter and I understand the deeper implications of the integrated set of published information. ADE (the primary warning against moving forward with human trials for all precursor coronavirus vaccine trials), vaccine-resistant strains, and large swathes of the population who will be injured by these vaccines due to no statistically-significant dataset to provide contraindications from and with no way to sue for damages - all of these situations are coming. Here's something that might help you understand the history of the science behind the mRNA vaccines (and please note, not all of the vaccines are mRNA vaccines). It's a history more than 2 decades old, not including the science behind how mRNA works, which is significantly older. I already understand the history of mRNA. The vaccine delivery vehicle isn't the issue. It's that you are using a vaccine targeting a single specific protein, doing inadequate volumes of testing in parallel between animals and humans, and calling it good. The coronavirus research prior to covid all concluded that going to human trials was too dangerous. Inadequate volumes of testing, even if there were zero side effects. Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries. Their vaccine efficacy right now is in the 40-45% range (the FDA's usual threshold to award approval is 50%). People are vaccinated and they're still getting infected with new covid variants. The UofWaterloo study is definitive proof that masking by the public for COVID works the same as it did when they did studies for other airborne respiratory viruses in the past - that is - that do little to nothing outside of a clinical environment when wearing anything other than an N95 or a full face respirator. Lockdowns? We've never allowed government to quarantine people who aren't sick before now. It needs to stop. The *only* way through this is the same as every other similar pandemic with such a small risk for most people - infect as many as possible, expect deaths amongst the vulnerable and try to protect them, and have it become an endemic cold/flu season virus. The science has always been there to show this, and it wasn't until we allowed bureaucrats and politicians to become involved that it was a problem dealing with the truth. |
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Post by evileeyore on Aug 28, 2021 13:15:23 GMT
The *only* way through this is the same as every other similar pandemic with such a small risk for most people - infect as many as possible, expect deaths amongst the vulnerable and try to protect them, and have it become an endemic cold/flu season virus. There is evidence that India is already endemic, and yet they aren't going to change the way they are operating. Of course the 'experts' reporting this work for the WHO... (and the Indian government and newspapers, so 'expert' is really getting dragged on this one) |
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Post by 3catcircus on Aug 28, 2021 13:48:43 GMT
The *only* way through this is the same as every other similar pandemic with such a small risk for most people - infect as many as possible, expect deaths amongst the vulnerable and try to protect them, and have it become an endemic cold/flu season virus. There is evidence that India is already endemic, and yet they aren't going to change the way they are operating. Of course the 'experts' reporting this work for the WHO... (and the Indian government and newspapers, so 'expert' is really getting dragged on this one) They're ignoring the effect of natural immunity after infection - there was a huge, sharp (i.e. short period of time) peak in India. Studies (I think it is out of the UK) show natural infection results in 13x as many antibodies as vaccination. If India isn't endemic, they're close to it. The UK isn't a good candidate for claims of it being endemic - they're hugely vaccinated with very little rate of natural infection because of all of the lockdowns, but infections and hospitalizations and deaths continue. Australia and New Zealand are going to suffer immeasurably sure to their quest for zero covid. When they open up after they've vaccinated everyone, they're going to have a huge wave of infections and deaths. |
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Post by 3catcircus on Aug 28, 2021 18:40:06 GMT
This is a really good picture clearly demonstrating why the standard cloth or surgical masks do *nothing* to prevent spread. This is a scanning electron microscope image of a cotton cloth mask, magnified 40x. Scale is on bottom right. BTW, at the size of the viral particle, Brownian motion holds sway and there is a not-bad article on it as it applies to COVID here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7293495/The red boxes are the size of the pores in the mask material. The tiny little green dot that is the *actual* size of the viral particle can barely be seen:  |
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Post by kirinke on Aug 28, 2021 21:50:38 GMT
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Post by Maxperson on Sept 3, 2021 14:58:46 GMT
I'll just wait to be correct again and again because, unlike you two dolts, I understand the subject matter and I understand the deeper implications of the integrated set of published information. ADE (the primary warning against moving forward with human trials for all precursor coronavirus vaccine trials), vaccine-resistant strains, and large swathes of the population who will be injured by these vaccines due to no statistically-significant dataset to provide contraindications from and with no way to sue for damages - all of these situations are coming. Such a dumbass. You are aware that even though there are significant breakthrough cases with the delta variant, the vaccine is still keeping those who come down with it out of the hospital and/or alive, right? It's like 25(unvaccinated) to 1(vaccinated). |
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Post by Libtard on Oct 17, 2021 20:48:25 GMT
I'll just wait to be correct again and again because, unlike you two dolts, I understand the subject matter and I understand the deeper implications of the integrated set of published information. ADE (the primary warning against moving forward with human trials for all precursor coronavirus vaccine trials), vaccine-resistant strains, and large swathes of the population who will be injured by these vaccines due to no statistically-significant dataset to provide contraindications from and with no way to sue for damages - all of these situations are coming. Such a dumbass. You are aware that even though there are significant breakthrough cases with the delta variant, the vaccine is still keeping those who come down with it out of the hospital and/or alive, right? It's like 25(unvaccinated) to 1(vaccinated). No! Masks are muzzles and vaccine mandates are tyrannical! Around 25% of Americans are fucking morons and around 50% can't be bothered to do anything about it. Thank God I'm back in Europe now. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 19, 2021 0:28:50 GMT
Well, they will eventually get to meet Darwin in person if they keep up their stupid. So.... I dunno. It must be something in the water.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 28, 2021 17:31:15 GMT
Well, they will eventually get to meet Darwin in person if they keep up their stupid. So.... I dunno. It must be something in the water. Well, now Covid is linked to brain damage, infertility, and in 13% of covid victims, a psychological diagnosis within 6 months of coming down with it. It's making the dumb and crazy, dumber and crazier, but at least they won't be breeding as much. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 29, 2021 23:08:07 GMT
You try telling that to them and they cry "fake news" and shit.
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