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Post by 3catcircus on May 21, 2022 11:47:41 GMT
It's not about people born with both sets of organs (true hermaphrodites). It's about the likes of Lia Thomas and Laurel Hubbard. They were mediocre athletes as men and only achieved success (or notoriety) when they "became womyn" and suddenly they're beating actual women. It's not even that in and of itself (Hubbard failed to medal and Thomas got beat by. FtM Yaley). It's that they're taking away an opportunity from a woman when women's sports are already underfunded and undersupported as-is. As the father of a 13 year old girl whose coaches have already told us she is "exceptional" in her chosen sport, I don't want her losing the potential of being able to play in college because of as male who is mediocre but is allowed to play against women instead of men. Assuming she's the normal type of intersex, Caster Semenya ISN'T a true hermaphrodite. She only has testes, but because her body can't actually USE that testosterone, she developed as female. Seriously, the percentage of trans people who are into athletics is small, and the percentage of people who are trans is even smaller. Gimme a fucking break. You're not afraid that she won't be able to play in college, you just don't like trans people because you think they're pedos. You keep harping on Semenya. It's never been about someone like that (as an aside Semenya should also not be allowed to compete as a woman due to being born XY). It's been about men who are middling-to-mediocre athletes who claim themselves trans and then suddenly are superstars when they compete against biological women. Larger muscle mass, deeper skeletal bone density, and years of testosterone-assisted development gives them an unfair advantage. Can't compete with your own male competitors as a collegiate or Olympic athlete? There's always a semipro or beer league. |
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Post by cyphersmith on May 21, 2022 20:11:22 GMT
Assuming she's the normal type of intersex, Caster Semenya ISN'T a true hermaphrodite. She only has testes, but because her body can't actually USE that testosterone, she developed as female. Seriously, the percentage of trans people who are into athletics is small, and the percentage of people who are trans is even smaller. Gimme a fucking break. You're not afraid that she won't be able to play in college, you just don't like trans people because you think they're pedos. You keep harping on Semenya. It's never been about someone like that (as an aside Semenya should also not be allowed to compete as a woman due to being born XY). It's been about men who are middling-to-mediocre athletes who claim themselves trans and then suddenly are superstars when they compete against biological women. Larger muscle mass, deeper skeletal bone density, and years of testosterone-assisted development gives them an unfair advantage. Can't compete with your own male competitors as a collegiate or Olympic athlete? There's always a semipro or beer league. They do not do that. No psychiatrist worth their salt would allow that. It does not happen. Fuck off. |
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Post by cyphersmith on May 21, 2022 20:17:55 GMT
Actually, I don't think I'm an atheist. I'm an Unbeliever. And while I wish we could institute Pure Idealistic Pie-in-the-sky Communism, I know that (heavily regulated) Capitalism is the best economic policy for greedy shit-tier humans to operate under. I mean, I'm an idealist, not an idiot. An Unbeliever? Wtf does that mean? You're certainly NOT Thomas Covenant. And you're right about the heavily regulated. A fuck ton of regulations have come about because of death or significant injury, and those deaths and injuries continued until regulations happened. Many other regulations have come about to prevent industry from exploiting their employees or customers. |
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Post by 3catcircus on May 22, 2022 0:18:52 GMT
You keep harping on Semenya. It's never been about someone like that (as an aside Semenya should also not be allowed to compete as a woman due to being born XY). It's been about men who are middling-to-mediocre athletes who claim themselves trans and then suddenly are superstars when they compete against biological women. Larger muscle mass, deeper skeletal bone density, and years of testosterone-assisted development gives them an unfair advantage. Can't compete with your own male competitors as a collegiate or Olympic athlete? There's always a semipro or beer league. They do not do that. No psychiatrist worth their salt would allow that. It does not happen. Fuck off. Just admit that you're wrong. Every response to my assertions had been an ad hominem from you. It's ok to be wrong. |
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Post by kirinke on May 22, 2022 19:09:18 GMT
3cat, no offense, well, lots of offense to be honest, you're wrong about everything.
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Post by evileeyore on May 22, 2022 21:28:32 GMT
If there is no statistical correlation between pedos and drag queens, why are you worried about drag queens in particular? For the reason I keep saying: The trans argument to advance sexual authority to children, IE granting them authority over their sexual identities and biological control, is one being pushed by the pedos to increase the idea of sexual agency in children, further IE: If children are allowed to make decisions about their gender and biological sexual controls (taking hormones, getting surgery, etc) then they are "fully adult" under the eyes of the law (and societal regards) and thus are "on the menu" for groomers and pedos. I mentioned the Gay Marriage Slippery Slope, because this isn't a slippery slope, it's what the pedo groups are trying to get done now under the umbrella of the trans and drag areas of the LGBTQ++ movement (and because it was stated that "allowing gay marriage would mean people trying to marry animals, and their siblings, and the end of MONOGAMY [dun-dun-DUUUUN]" and I find it hilarious that all those "slippery slope" things that I don't care about, just say no to bestiality - that's rape, have been coming into play). I don't see many of them getting all dolled up and exposing themselves to kids during Nueroscientist Story Hour, so... it's less on my radar of "this needs to be put a stop to". But hey, if Big Nueroscience has been caught with it's pants down and hands on some kids cookies, point it out. I'll be happy to go yell at their allies as well. How many other groups are giving them umbrella protection though? Remember the shitstorm the Catholics weathered? It was okay to basically shit on the church (and the regular churchgoers) for it's practice of shielding pedos, but not the LGBTQ!++ practice of shielding pedos? It is a part of the discussion you ostriching fuckwad. The space for competition by biological women needs to be for biological women, otherwise all those "allies" will turn away. Stop trying to pretend "it's just a distraction", face it, argue against or for it, but ignoring it, and trying to tell other people to ignore it, won't make it go away. And that just further reinforces your idiocy. Sports are huge money makers, and where the money is made, laws will be regulated by those with resources. They do not do that. No psychiatrist worth their salt would allow that. It does not happen. Fuck off. Psychiatrists aren't required for men/boys to claim to be women/girls and compete at anything below national levels (are they even required at Nationals?). Local and State levels are controlled haphazardly and with completely different sets of standards and rules, hell even National and Global are are odds with each other and differing competitions. An Unbeliever? Wtf does that mean? It means I don't have a foundational belief structure. I don't fall back on anything, no "God will save me", or "Science will save me", or "Technology will save me" or anything else. I don't believe things will happen, I don't hold faith that anything will occur or not occur. I don't believe in God, or hold the belief that there is no God. In don't believe that Science* is Truth. I take everything on "Okay, we'll see" basis. Now, that doesn't mean I don't have thoughts about why, or what, or how, or "Hey the sun's risen everyday, good chance it'll rise again tomorrow", but I'm always prepared to be wrong. Doesn't mean I won't argue or debate as though I'm "right", just means that behind the screen? I'm constantly prepared to find out everything I think I 'know" is incorrect. But, as I'm not questioning these big 'ponderables', I don't consider myself an agnostic either, they believe, they just aren't sure how/why/etc. Mostly I consider myself a philosopher, I'm ready to discuss and argue, instruct and learn, but at the end of the day I'm not here to convert or be converted. * So many of you Lefties hold Science up as the New Religion (and by extension doctors and scientists as the new Priests) and refuse to hear anyone speak against the Gods and Pastors you've accepted to have Faith in, even if they are other scientists and doctors with dissenting opinions/studies/experiments. It's like watching fundies deny things to see y'all deny things because "Well the CDC/Fauci/[Personal Jesus] says...". |
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Post by libtard on May 23, 2022 6:22:45 GMT
There is no "trans argument" for anything, beyond a minority of loud-mouthed, lunatic activists who have hijacked the public debate - most trans people, just like you and I, want to be left the fuck alone and get on with their lives. There is no monolithic "trans community" in any meaningful way.
While the loony fringe continue to demand we all adopt their doublethink with regard to feminism and gender equality - yes, including the safety of sex-segregated spaces - by prioritizing this argument you are feeding a huge psychosocial troll and missing the point. Tarnishing an entire group as complicit in this bullshit is not helpful. And, again, fails to advance the dialogue around the transgender phenomenon - which is many ways new, complex, and which we are only really beginning to unpack.
There is no "umbrella protection" being offered by anything except society-at-large, where being labeled "transphobic" carries such social stigma. Blame a media who love to incite divisiveness to drive up ratings, by all means, but there is no queer conspiracy to "shield" - this really statistically insignificant - section of society: "trans-pedo drag queens."
It's a distraction.
The Catholic Church is structurally different - it is a monolithic institution, and can be reasonably addressed as a single entity and pressured to increase its internal mechanisms for accountability. Even so, tarnishing the whole church as pedos - or at least, pedo-shielding - is also bullshit, but makes for great headlines: i.e., it's the same color shit.
But as you pointed out with regard to the fundie drive to make abortion illegal: don't worry, it's just the social pendulum swinging. There will be a non-loony pushback, some loony heads will roll, and things will right themselves. Right?
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Post by cyphersmith on May 23, 2022 16:23:29 GMT
They do not do that. No psychiatrist worth their salt would allow that. It does not happen. Fuck off. Just admit that you're wrong. Every response to my assertions had been an ad hominem from you. It's ok to be wrong. I'm not wrong. It doesn't happen the way you say it does because there are safeguards to prevent it. And because society is so fucked up that people trying to be their real selves are attacked on all sides. It would be fucking stupid to do, and a person would figure out just how stupid WELL before they got to the point of actually being allowed to compete. It's not like one day you're competing as a man and the next you're competing as a woman. It takes years. During which time you're getting shit from all sides. You haven't thought any of this through, though, because you are wearing blinders. If it's not in your field of view, you simply won't see it. |
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Post by 3catcircus on May 23, 2022 22:53:01 GMT
Just admit that you're wrong. Every response to my assertions had been an ad hominem from you. It's ok to be wrong. I'm not wrong. It doesn't happen the way you say it does because there are safeguards to prevent it. And because society is so fucked up that people trying to be their real selves are attacked on all sides. It would be fucking stupid to do, and a person would figure out just how stupid WELL before they got to the point of actually being allowed to compete. It's not like one day you're competing as a man and the next you're competing as a woman. It takes years. During which time you're getting shit from all sides. You haven't thought any of this through, though, because you are wearing blinders. If it's not in your field of view, you simply won't see it. Years? Bullshit. Lia Thomas didn't take years. Lia Thomas competed on the men's team through the 2019-2020 school year and was only out of swimming for the 20-21 school year because they weren't doing anything because of covid. The Olympics only requires 12 months from start of hormone treatments. Those are not "years" as if they were waiting a decade. These are not people who've been taking hormones since before puberty. We're talking a single year - which means you can pretty much roll from one season competing as a man to the next as a "woman." |
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Post by evileeyore on May 24, 2022 15:16:04 GMT
There is no "trans argument" for anything, beyond a minority of loud-mouthed, lunatic activists who have hijacked the public debate... That is the only argument, and you're happily ceding it to the Media and the extremist "Leftist" fringe. If you disagree with that argument, why are you in here giving spirited fight against those of us still willing to stop it from going to those extremes? And there is nothing stopping them. There are no laws against being trans, no laws stopping trans from employment, moving, living, etc. All there is is the extreme fringe still pushing at the ridiculous edges and things that should not be allowed, thus making everything worse for themselves, the trans community, etc. It's the only dialogue left you fucking moron. There is nothing else to discuss as far as the Trans Movement is concerned. They are accepted. Now it's time to let the fringe know they aren't wanted, their ideas are terrible, and for you and your side to stop giving those arguments cover. "Just ignore them screaming and the Leftist Media giving them traction and support, it'll all go away on it's own..." You dumb fuck, it never goes away on it's own. Aside from the bathroom/locker room situation, sports, and fucking up children who don't know any better there's nothing left to unpack. And those are the areas that we're currently arguing about. I was joking that you were on the side of the groomers and pedos, but I'm seriously beginning to question that status as "joke". Oh, I do. However there is also a vocal group in the community who, like good little humans, now wish to backlash against anyone they perceive as having once been, or currently are, against them. The power is now in their hands to a degree, and humans love bullying those in a weaker position. Conspiracy? No. But talk about how "Drag Story Hour" is being run by pedos to get adult men in a position to groom kids and watch how fast the community stands together and starts shouting "homophobe". They stopped shouting it (or at least some did) when it came to light that yes, actually, those Drag Queens were pedos, or at least they were acting that way and getting caught doing stupid shit that really does make them look like pedos. So, was that a distraction? Trying to separate pedos from being around children? Or is this your way of giving them that old "homophobe" shout umbrella of protection? Oh certainly. But those loonies aren't politicians.... but then I guess you'd be okay the little guys heads rolling, where I'm only okay with the politicians heads rolling... It doesn't happen the way you say it does because there are safeguards to prevent it. What 'safeguards"? The "must keep testosterone below a certain level for 12 months?" That's laughable, 12 months won't erode muscle mass or bone density to the degree that it would impact a lifetime of being male. Just look at Lea Thomas' record: In the 2018–2019 season she was, when competing in the men's team, ranked 554 in the 200 freestyle, 65 in the 500 freestyle, and 32 in the 1650 freestyle. In the 2021–2022 season, those ranks are now, when competing in the women's team, 5 in the 200 freestyle, first in the 500 freestyle, and eight in the 1650 freestyle. 554th to 5th, 65th to 1st, 32nd to 8th. And that's with those "safeguards" and getting slower due to slight muscle loss. And what safeguards were in place to protect her fellow female Olympic athletes from having to experience her 'free swinging' in the locker rooms? |
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Post by cyphersmith on May 24, 2022 22:21:48 GMT
It doesn't happen the way you say it does because there are safeguards to prevent it. What 'safeguards"? The "must keep testosterone below a certain level for 12 months?" I'm not talking about safeguards wrt the athletics organizations. To even begin HRT takes a long time, and no psychiatrist is going to approve HRT for someone who is transitioning for that reason. No, look at her performance, not her rankings. In nearly 3 years of HRT, she lost something like 10-15 seconds on her times. Men in that same age period don't slow down. They speed up. |
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Post by 3catcircus on May 24, 2022 22:45:46 GMT
What 'safeguards"? The "must keep testosterone below a certain level for 12 months?" I'm not talking about safeguards wrt the athletics organizations. To even begin HRT takes a long time, and no psychiatrist is going to approve HRT for someone who is transitioning for that reason. No, look at her performance, not her rankings. In nearly 3 years of HRT, she lost something like 10-15 seconds on her times. Men in that same age period don't slow down. They speed up. You stupid fuckin' cunt... It's not how long it takes for a bonesaw to prescribe hormones that matters. It's only 12 months from when you start actually taking them that you have to wait to compete with biological women. It's not "reduced performance" when the reduction doesn't negatively affect your ranking *in comparison to the biological women you're now competing against*. Who gives a fuck that Thomas has a reduction of 10-15 seconds in comparison to other men when he's now competing against women... |
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Post by Devoid on May 25, 2022 4:14:18 GMT
Since this thread topic is about Roe v. Wade, how about we get back to it? Suppose Roe v. Wade was overturned immediately. - Which state statutes restricting/banning abortions would immediately go into effect?
- Some may still remain blocked under judicial review at the state courts, US Federal District Courts, or US Federal Courts of Appeal. If that is the case, what restrictions would there be currently vs potentially for each state?
- For those state statutes not already temporarily blocked for judicial review (outside of Roe v. Wade), how many of those remaining restrictions (e.g. civil enforcement) will likely be blocked within a year of the overturn of Roe v. Wade?
- It seems some of the populace hadn't ranked abortion as a high priority voting issue until the leak. What degree, if any, will this new (prematurely-released) information shift the momentum of the 2022 elections?
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Post by libtard on May 25, 2022 5:20:48 GMT
This pretty much sums up all that your tiny brain is capable of holding. Because, you know, after the civil rights movement, racism was no longer an issue in the US; after universal suffrage, women had nothing to complain about; after the Gay Rights movement, queer people were just fine and dandy.
Instead of concentrating on pedo drag queens, toilets, and the fear that mediocre mtf atheletes will come to dominate women's sports, why not talk about endocrinology; or suicide instances; or non-Western manifestations of transgender identity; or mental health issues around transgender identity; or any one of a number of actual, real issues which actually, really impact people's lives.
But, no,
Pedo drag queens
Toilets
Marginal sports personalities
That's where the real issues are at.
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Post by libtard on May 25, 2022 5:24:13 GMT
Since this thread topic is about Roe v. Wade, how about we get back to it? That would be ideal. |
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