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Post by evileeyore on May 4, 2020 22:12:12 GMT
Daer Confused,
You're lumping multiple groups together and acting as though their disparate lines were spoken of one voice. Stop that and your confusion will clear.
Yours,
The People Who Are Much Smarter Than You
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Post by Devoid on May 4, 2020 22:29:33 GMT
Daer Confused, You're lumping multiple groups together and acting as though their disparate lines were spoken of one voice. Stop that and your confusion will clear. Yours, The People Who [Believe They] Are Much Smarter Than You FIFY  |
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Post by evileeyore on May 5, 2020 4:32:14 GMT
FIFY No, no, aside from my inability to notice I mispelled 'Dear' the first time through, my capacity to recognize, and not lump different voices together and treat them as some all encompassing whole makes me much, much smarter than your boy there. |
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Post by Ovinomancer on May 5, 2020 10:15:51 GMT
Not sure which is worse, here: that this person thinks this is a slam dunk or that you thought enough of it to post it as such. I mean: There MAY be a difference between being upset that a rich, privileged sports star is using his position on national television to protest against a national symbol for remote political reasons and regular people protesting against onerous government restriction of their basic liberties. There MAY be a difference between making health decisions for yourself and abortion. I dunno, this seems to have been well covered, not sure how you or Confused missed it before. There MAY be a difference between being against onerous government restrictions and for less onerous impacts that keep Grandma alive and an abortion procedure that's guaranteed to end a fetus. There MAY be a thing that it's required to wear PPE where these people are protesting -- I mean, going after people for attempting to prevent themselves being arrested for failing to follow PPE requirements from the very government they're protesting seems sensible, in some respects. There MAY be a difference between a situation where you can work and earn to pay for your medical costs and where the government takes away your ability to work and still expects you to cover your medical costs. There IS (not may, IS) a difference between socialism and welfare. This is basic. Overall, this is a list of stupid. I disagree with many of the protesters. I even have sympathy for some of the ideas behind the arguments above. But, these are stupid arguments -- just flat out dumb comparisons that completely avoid any good discussion. It's as bad as the behavior it's trying to mock. What really shocks me, though, is that it didn't come from a blue check. |
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Post by evileeyore on May 5, 2020 11:15:06 GMT
What really shocks me, though, is that it didn't come from a blue check. Facebook not Twitter post. Facebook doesn't do blue checks. |
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Post by Ovinomancer on May 5, 2020 12:23:47 GMT
What really shocks me, though, is that it didn't come from a blue check. Facebook not Twitter post. Facebook doesn't do blue checks. I don't feel the least bit bad for not knowing that. |
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Post by Devoid on May 5, 2020 15:47:23 GMT
Not sure which is worse, here: that this person thinks this is a slam dunk or that you thought enough of it to post it as such. I mean: There MAY be a difference between being upset that a rich, privileged sports star is using his position on national television to protest against a national symbol for remote political reasons and regular people protesting against onerous government restriction of their basic liberties. There MAY be a difference between making health decisions for yourself and abortion. I dunno, this seems to have been well covered, not sure how you or Confused missed it before. There MAY be a difference between being against onerous government restrictions and for less onerous impacts that keep Grandma alive and an abortion procedure that's guaranteed to end a fetus. There MAY be a thing that it's required to wear PPE where these people are protesting -- I mean, going after people for attempting to prevent themselves being arrested for failing to follow PPE requirements from the very government they're protesting seems sensible, in some respects. There MAY be a difference between a situation where you can work and earn to pay for your medical costs and where the government takes away your ability to work and still expects you to cover your medical costs. There IS (not may, IS) a difference between socialism and welfare. This is basic. Overall, this is a list of stupid. I disagree with many of the protesters. I even have sympathy for some of the ideas behind the arguments above. But, these are stupid arguments -- just flat out dumb comparisons that completely avoid any good discussion. It's as bad as the behavior it's trying to mock. What really shocks me, though, is that it didn't come from a blue check. Posting this Facebook post was meant to start a discussion (which it has). It has nothing to do with my stance or my views of others. The points listed were heavily slanted, meant to stir emotion instead of the rational mind (like most posts these days, unfortunately).
Once we start to assume one's motives without supporting evidence, we starting playing this terrible game:
These are random political thoughts, but they do not represent mine. That aside...
I eye-rolled when I first read the post. It was little more than a framed "soundbite" that personally infers disagreement with any of the points listed as hypocritical and deserving of shame (which is ridiculous).
Do I think the protestors have a right to protest, sure! Should they wear masks and self-distance while doing so, probably. It will be tragic if one of the protestors unknowingly spreads the disease to others in attendance, potentially leading to additional suffering (possibly death) of others. People have rights, but actions still have consequences (direct or indirect). At the very least, we may get a better understanding how easily and quickly it may further spread. Sadly, it will be used as political leverage in the weeks and months to come.
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Post by Devoid on May 5, 2020 16:38:31 GMT
FIFY No, no, aside from my inability to notice I mispelled 'Dear' the first time through, my capacity to recognize, and not lump different voices together and treat them as some all encompassing whole makes me much, much smarter than your boy there. Ah, you caught that did you? 
He's not "my boy". It was a repost of a post (of a post likely). More than one degree of separation anyway. Was the usage of "my boy" meant to tie belief (guilt by association)? If so, you would be mistaken.
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Post by evileeyore on May 5, 2020 21:02:20 GMT
I don't feel the least bit bad for not knowing that. I had to double check. But I do feel slightly... [checks notes] oh wait, I feel nothing. It will be tragic if one of the protestors unknowingly spreads the disease to others in attendance, potentially leading to additional suffering (possibly death) of others. Inversely, I'd be amused by that. Schadenfreude, hoisted by one's own petard, and all that. If so, you would be mistaken. If you disagree with something you're posting you should state such. Otherwise, Poe's Law and all that, we'll automatically assume you do actually agree with it. Onus of communication is upon you to be clear. |
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Post by Ovinomancer on May 6, 2020 10:23:08 GMT
Not sure which is worse, here: that this person thinks this is a slam dunk or that you thought enough of it to post it as such. I mean: There MAY be a difference between being upset that a rich, privileged sports star is using his position on national television to protest against a national symbol for remote political reasons and regular people protesting against onerous government restriction of their basic liberties. There MAY be a difference between making health decisions for yourself and abortion. I dunno, this seems to have been well covered, not sure how you or Confused missed it before. There MAY be a difference between being against onerous government restrictions and for less onerous impacts that keep Grandma alive and an abortion procedure that's guaranteed to end a fetus. There MAY be a thing that it's required to wear PPE where these people are protesting -- I mean, going after people for attempting to prevent themselves being arrested for failing to follow PPE requirements from the very government they're protesting seems sensible, in some respects. There MAY be a difference between a situation where you can work and earn to pay for your medical costs and where the government takes away your ability to work and still expects you to cover your medical costs. There IS (not may, IS) a difference between socialism and welfare. This is basic. Overall, this is a list of stupid. I disagree with many of the protesters. I even have sympathy for some of the ideas behind the arguments above. But, these are stupid arguments -- just flat out dumb comparisons that completely avoid any good discussion. It's as bad as the behavior it's trying to mock. What really shocks me, though, is that it didn't come from a blue check. Posting this Facebook post was meant to start a discussion (which it has). It has nothing to do with my stance or my views of others. The points listed were heavily slanted, meant to stir emotion instead of the rational mind (like most posts these days, unfortunately).
Once we start to assume one's motives without supporting evidence, we starting playing this terrible game: These are random political thoughts, but they do not represent mine. That aside... I eye-rolled when I first read the post. It was little more than a framed "soundbite" that personally infers disagreement with any of the points listed as hypocritical and deserving of shame (which is ridiculous). Do I think the protestors have a right to protest, sure! Should they wear masks and self-distance while doing so, probably. It will be tragic if one of the protestors unknowingly spreads the disease to others in attendance, potentially leading to additional suffering (possibly death) of others. People have rights, but actions still have consequences (direct or indirect). At the very least, we may get a better understanding how easily and quickly it may further spread. Sadly, it will be used as political leverage in the weeks and months to come.
You posted a political comment entirely free of your own commentary and feel you have the high ground to claim people should assume what you post uncritically isn't what you intend? Heh. Okay, good luck with that. Besides, the only conclusion about you I made in the post was being uncertain if your uncritical repost was worse than the initial post. Now you've explained yourself, I still have reservations. |
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Post by Ovinomancer on May 7, 2020 23:07:43 GMT
Well, DoJ completely dropped all charges against Flynn today, in the face of increasingly embarrassing Brady releases.
I tgink tgey could have perservered and kept the conviction (Flynn had pled, already) as a matter of law, but the releases clearly show the whole thing was a borderline illegal prosecution of an intentional setup with no pretext, so that was rapidly becoming a losing move. The FBI is looking more like a shitshow of motivated political hacks, which is not a good look at all.
This whole thing is getting very ugly, indeed.
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Post by evileeyore on May 8, 2020 6:38:15 GMT
This whole thing is getting very ugly, indeed. Of course no one will ask Obama what he knew about the setup or when... |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 9, 2020 21:38:48 GMT
Another fine individual acting up.
A Virginia man who is alleged to have driven his truck into a crowd of peaceful protesters over the weekend is an "admitted leader" of the Ku Klux Klan, officials said Monday.
In a statement, Henrico County Commonwealth's Attorney Shannon Taylor described the man, identified as Harry Rogers, 36, as "a propagandist of Confederate ideology." A "cursory glance" at his social media accounts and his admissions to authorities revealed that he was a leader of the white supremacist group, she said.
Rogers is charged with assault, battery, attempted malicious wounding and felony vandalism in the incident Sunday night north of downtown Richmond, she said. Authorities are also investigating whether hate crime charges should be brought, she said.
Taylor said Rogers drove down a median before revving his engine and driving into the protesters. A person who was wounded in the incident doesn't appear to have serious injuries, she added.
Taylor noted that she had participated in a different protest for equality and justice on the same day.
"Protesters acting peaceably, well within their constitutional rights of assembly, should not have to fear violence," she said. "We lived through this in Charlottesville in 2017. I promise that this egregious criminal act will not go unpunished."
A woman was killed and 19 other people were injured when a car plowed into a crowd of people protesting a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville. The driver, James Fields, was sentenced to life in prison on federal hate crime charges last year.
Rogers, who is being held without bond in a Henrico County jail, made his first court appearance Monday. It wasn't clear whether he entered a plea. His attorney, George Townsend, didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.
Full coverage of George Floyd's death and protests around the country
The incident comes amid widespread protests over the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis police custody on May 25. Four police officers, including one who was captured on video with his knee in Floyd's neck for more than eight minutes, have been charged.
Many of the demonstrations that swept across U.S. cities in the two weeks since then have been peaceful, although allegations of property destruction, looting and violence have accompanied some of them.
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Post by evileeyore on Jun 30, 2020 4:48:16 GMT
For some, this image has hard truths to swallow.  |
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Post by kirinke on Jun 30, 2020 12:08:30 GMT
Can't say I disagree with that.
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