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Post by evileeyore on Feb 15, 2022 15:59:57 GMT
I've been following him - mostly his progress, rather than his actual content - since around 2013. My wife used to listen to him from around 2010 onwards - from what she has said, he has drifted further right over that period, and I definitely remember getting more of a hippy vibe from him back then. Lots of crackpots on his show, but drawn from across the political spectrum. Joe hasn't shifted, his guests have. Joe used to be able to get more lefties (small 'l') on the show, but since the Left has painted him as "alt-right", most lefty celebs now avoid his show (because they are stupidly courting only Left fans). Because Joe is centrist*. As are the majority of his listeners. * Joe is center-libertarian. Where that has his personal politics fall on the chart? Meh. He did advocate for Gabbard's run and said he'd vote for Bernie if Bernie had made the ticket somehow, so exactly how much "libertarian" he is up for debate. I suspect he's more "libertine" than "libertarian", and is more "socialist-libertarian" like almost every libertarian I know personally (they're all for soft-socialism, but heavy in the "drugs need to be decriminalized libertarianism" not the "company need to be deregulated libertarianism"). He doesn't sound any stupider now than when he was on Joe sanitized his own content (possibly at Spotify's urging though he didn't say that) because the Control Left were getting fired up that he allows guests to speak against the Left's narrative. So they made a lot of noise about him saying "nigger" twice in the last decade (in context discussing the ongoing culture war) and no one is allowed to say nigger anymore unless they're black. Because censorship is cool now. Pretty that's 100M consequences he's okay with. Can't say I wouldn't take the same deal.
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Post by libtard on Feb 15, 2022 17:07:17 GMT
I think your order of operators is confused: there was a noticeable shift toward more sports, MMA, hunting, and weird carnivorous diets from Joe himself. And fewer DMT trips, extra-terrestrials and alternative spirituality. He began platforming more masculinist ideologues, and was already making tons of money by 2015-16. Ultimately, he is a little guy, and has little-guy neurosis painted all over him. And, like I say, a lot of this is algorithmically-driven.
Your paranoiac tendencies are poking through. Joe recently dropped 70 episodes, but he dropped 42 before Spotify would even sign him. At this point, he's just as much in thrall to his corporate overlords as Don Lemon; by signing, he chose to toe the line.
And a lot more often than that, prior. 22 times in 12 years.
Look, I agree that he's being beaten up because he platforms people who don't otherwise get an airing as they're too "controversial." But he ate the $100M golden pill, and he did it with his eyes wide open. What did he expect?
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Post by kirinke on Feb 15, 2022 23:47:36 GMT
Get back to me when the Right stops trying to silence the Cheney and Kinzinger not to mention anyone who bad-mouths or votes against Trump.
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Post by libtard on Feb 17, 2022 9:27:04 GMT
Ah, the Trumps. But how could we forget them? We didn't, of course. DJT refuses to lie down like a good dead dog. Aging plastic sex doll, Melania Trump, was just busted accidentally buying her own NFT in an effort to shore up its price: linkTrump's accountants dump him in an effort to avoid prosecution: link
Eric whines: link
Psycho Hillary jeers at "America's Mayor" as Boozy Rudy makes more outrageous claims: link
America, whither goest thou?
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Post by kirinke on Feb 17, 2022 12:21:13 GMT
Hillary is probably laughing at them all. Think on this, the Republicans have been trying and failing to get something, anything on her for decades at this point. Five years of effort and the Trumps and their allies are cracking like eggs.
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Post by evileeyore on Feb 17, 2022 16:58:19 GMT
Get back to me when the Right stops trying to silence the Cheney and Kinzinger not to mention anyone who bad-mouths or votes against Trump. So, "it's okay because the 'badguys' do it too"? really. Censorship (soft and outright) have been a stump point on the Right forever, why do you want to allow that to become a stumping point on the Left as well? Shouldn't your team be better than the badguys? Or are you deciding the Left's swing to Authoritarianism and soft fascism is okay?
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Post by kirinke on Feb 17, 2022 23:40:00 GMT
Hey, just pointing out that both sides do it. When you single out left for being "woke" and cancel-culture without addressing the Right's version, silencing politicians, banning and burning books, marginalizing gays and other minorities, it sounds hypocritical. Personally, I see it as the left having enough of the right's nonsense and fighting back.
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Post by libtard on Feb 17, 2022 23:47:33 GMT
Get back to me when the Right stops trying to silence the Cheney and Kinzinger not to mention anyone who bad-mouths or votes against Trump. So, "it's okay because the 'badguys' do it too"? really. Censorship (soft and outright) have been a stump point on the Right forever, why do you want to allow that to become a stumping point on the Left as well? Shouldn't your team be better than the badguys? Or are you deciding the Left's swing to Authoritarianism and soft fascism is okay? Why do you both keep using these terms, "Right" and "Left?" When will you get it into your heads that these terms are completely meaningless in 2022? They don't apply to domestic or foreign policy, or constitutional rights, or the pros and cons of big Government, or fiscal responsibility, or corporate accountability, or anything else, anymore. Right now, Biden is gearing up for a conflict in order to line the pockets of the shareholders in the largest arms producers in the world, even as the legacy media - excluding Fox are quashing dissent and gleefully rubbing their hands in anticipation of pumping their ratings up, although I'm sure Fox will jump on board with any flag waving if it gets to that point. A few sane voices amongst the Republicans are urging no escalation. This is all backwards. Everything is fucked up.
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Post by evileeyore on Feb 18, 2022 1:32:30 GMT
Why do you both keep using these terms, "Right" and "Left?" Because the terms are still useful to describe the camps various politicians align themselves with. Your personal preferred definitions do not apply outside of your own head. I've been advocating to just walking away from the global stage for a bit now. Let Europe fight the Russians, we need to focus on the economic war (and looming actual war) with China.
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Post by evileeyore on Feb 18, 2022 1:32:45 GMT
Hey, just pointing out that both sides do it. When you single out left for being "woke" and cancel-culture without addressing the Right's version, silencing politicians, banning and burning books, marginalizing gays and other minorities, it sounds hypocritical. As I keep telling you, I don't care what the Right is doing, I tend to not agree with a lot of their policies* so if they become more and more unelectable I'm okay with that... however I'd prefer if liberal (small l) politicians didn't become worse and worse as well, so that is what I spend my time fighting. Why are you okay with your side becoming worse and worse? * As the Left abandons various positions I consider important like Free Speech, Right to Assembly, Worker Protections, etc, and they get picked up by the Right, well, unfortunately that will have to shift. But if enough of us actual liberal liberals can stop the left's (small l again) slow slide headlong charge into corporate authoritarianism, maybe I won't have to vote for Republicans. So you're just a bad person. I can accept that response.
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Post by libtard on Feb 18, 2022 7:43:01 GMT
My personal preferred definitions align with the historical understanding in the US, and how the rest of the world views them. The political landscape has become so distorted in America that you may as well just use "Team Red" and "Team Blue" and be done with it. Look at your own posts - the only time you use "Left" is in an accusatory, polemical sense: "your side." Like kids in a fucking playground.
Right now, you have two brands of - largely unpopular - populism, both of which present an ideological veneer which peels away faster than a scratch-and-sniff postcard. The only people who are advocating for actually getting the money out of politics are considered such ideological outliers that they're branded as crazy extremists.
Yeah, I wouldn't hold your breath on that one.
This makes no sense. You can't have it both ways. Any confrontation between the US and China will occur - initially - through proxies, and over competing spheres of geopolitical and economic interest. The only way the US can "walk away from the global stage" is by conceding Taiwan and the economic war to China. Systems are global, and globalism is here to stay - unless we nuke ourselves back into the Stone Age. The entire trajectory of human history has been toward larger and more complex systems.
The Russian situation is a huge mess, and the Wolfowitz doctrine had central place in that clusterfuck. Given the extent that Russia - justifiably - feels that it's been fucked over by the West, and assurances betrayed, selling democracy to them is going to be pretty hard at this point: not that it was ever going to be easy to sell democracy to a country that's never had it in 1000 years. That boat sailed when Russia was denied entry into NATO and the EU, and now we're all stuck with the consequences.
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Post by kirinke on Feb 19, 2022 0:31:58 GMT
I'm a bad person for not feeling one bit sorry that Trump and his ass-lickers like MTG got deplatformed? I happily accept that from you.
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Post by evileeyore on Feb 19, 2022 3:45:26 GMT
I'm a bad person for not feeling one bit sorry... There is a difference between "not feeling sorry" and "excusing it". You're doing the later while pretending it's the former. Walking away from being "Team America World Police FUCK YEAH!" doesn't mean "cede all trade authority to China". While I'd hope to avoid an actual war with China over it, if it comes, I'd prefer a hot war to a slow cold trade take-over of the US by Chinese Globalists. As for Taiwan, yeah, fuck it, let Western Taiwan have Eastern China. There comes a time when the Chinese people will have to step up and do what needs to be done. Though with their cultural mindset, that ship might have sailed.
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Post by kirinke on Feb 19, 2022 12:22:11 GMT
Doesn't fly dear. I have zero issue with Trump loosing Twitter and Facebook. I also have zero problem with all his other boot-lickers loosing those platforms as well due to spreading mis-information amongst other reasons. They signed the TOS same as everyone when they started using those services and they repeatedly violated them. Thusly, they lost them.
They tried to use cancel-cuture and wokism to try to portray themselves as victims. It doesn't work that way. Lying and inciting riots, fomenting coups, trying to overturn a free and fair election and insurrection should have consequences. The fact that it hit Trump, his family and ass-kissers in the face doesn't make me sad. Not at all. But hey, if you think that's excusing it, you do you.
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Post by evileeyore on Feb 19, 2022 14:43:03 GMT
They signed the TOS same as everyone when they started using those services and they repeatedly violated them. Thusly, they lost them. I already know you're okay with communications platforms deciding who is allowed to communicate and whom isn't, you don't need to keep explaining to me that you're anti-free speech.
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