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Post by kirinke on Oct 19, 2019 0:42:37 GMT
That's why we call em Neo-Nazis. They strive to live to the ideals of the original with great tiki-torch waving delight.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 19, 2019 0:42:43 GMT
You actually believe that? The right is all about taking rights away. If they had their way we'd be wearing brown shirts and marching in unison, worshipping the Chosen Orange. Both parties are all about remove rights. The left more than the right. |
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 19, 2019 0:43:24 GMT
That's why we call em Neo-Nazis. They strive to live to the ideals of the original with great tiki-torch waving delight. They aren't Nazis, neo or otherwise. They are just racist assholes. |
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Post by evileeyore on Oct 19, 2019 1:21:49 GMT
You actually believe that? It's happening so... yes? If you need me to break down the particulars for you too just ignore, excuse, or pretend aren't happening again, I can, but I'm growing tired of it. As is the left. Gun rights, right of free speech, the right to assembly, the right (freedom) of association, the right to refuse service... All of which are eroded continuously. The two rights you're talking about get tremendous backlash from everyone but the far right every time someone looks at them funny. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 19, 2019 15:17:00 GMT
So you think it's perfectly alright for nutters to have access to weapons of mass death, to be able to spew hate and racial cleansing nonsense, to be able to assemble into hate groups, to be able to refuse service for being 'other'. Yeah. Somehow I'm not sympathetic.
The only thing the left is doing is preventing the right from expressing their hate and bigotry in the way they want, which is oppressing the rights of minorities and people they don't like.
So quit trying to make it sound innocent. It isn't.
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Post by evileeyore on Oct 19, 2019 17:07:57 GMT
So you think it's perfectly alright for nutters... No. But for shits and giggles, define "nutters". I suspect it includes "Republicans" and other sane people, in which case I'll revisit my answer here. Define " weapons of mass death". I suspect our definitions will be rather different here. I'm fine with those three things. Note, you are as well as you actively support calling people Nazis when they aren't, approve of a hate group (antifa), and approve of "women only spaces", just to name a few things you support which fly in the face of your above diatribe. And note, inciting violence is a crime and I'm fine with that being a crime. But just talking about terrible things is neither hate speech nor an incitement to violence.Of course not. The Left is as sympathetic of it's 'enemies' as the Right is. That's actually false. And before you try to disassemble and claim "Oh, but that's singular instance" this level nonsense is becoming more and more prevalent, and if one looks outside of the US it's even worse (I use our once liberal allies as a windrose for where far-lefty nonsense will end up years down the road). Make what 'sound innocent' you fucking loon? I call out the Left's problems because I want it to be better and to be supportable. Let the Right rot and fester and drive people away. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 19, 2019 17:39:05 GMT
Republicans who follow Trump are not by any definition "sane". No, I'm talking about the ones who think the end of times is coming if Trump looses, those who think the brown people are coming to replace them, as well as people who think god tells them to do things, amongst others. But if you consider them to be "sane Republicans" then... I think you're the loon.
Automatic weapons, explosive devices, etc. You know, things that can be used to cause alot of death in a short amount of time.
That has nothing to do with the left. Unless you include all public schools as 'left wing'. Nice try at false equivalency, but you fail.
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You honestly buy that? Sad....
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Post by evileeyore on Oct 19, 2019 21:20:22 GMT
Republicans who follow Trump are not by any definition "sane". What about non-Republicans who follow Trump... like Democrats who voted for Trump over Hilary, are they sane? What about Independants or the non-affiliated that voted for Trump? Are they sane? Is it just "anyone who voted for or now supports Trump" that is 'insane' in your worldview and thus should immediately be red-flagged and not allowed near firearms? How would that help those shot by dedicated leftists?Can you name some names, because I think you've got your "CNN is talking in my head" tinfoil on too tight. So... cars. If cars aren't on your list, why not? Considering there are more deaths to vehicular accidents than shootings every year. That has everything to do with the left. 'Hate speech' nonsense is a purely lefty thing, unless you think a right wing school would boot someone for the same thing. Largely they are. The public school system is basically a lefty institution. Which is normally fine, when it's closer to the middle-of-the-road-leftism (or as I call it 'The Critical Thinking Left'). But it's crept up to the screamingly loony edge, which is past worrisome. How is "showing where hate speech rules are harming those they claim to protect" a false equivalency. You're using terms you don't understand again. Just because you heard someone say it once and sound smart as they shut down some debate doesn't mean that hammer is the right tool for every time you're losing. What am I buying? Am I 'buying' my own reasoning for doing what I do? Maybe you should have a quiet lie down and let the hamster catch it's breath. Maybe you should take a dimmer view to buying what kzach is selling you as I'm actually liberal (and a pie-in-the-sky idealistic communist). |
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Post by Libtard on Oct 20, 2019 5:31:05 GMT
Sometimes my libtard friends and I get into arguments when I say that Donald Trump is the best president in the last forty years. By best, I mean least bad. My metric has been body count, populations displaced, and general human suffering inflicted because of US foreign policy. My rationale is that, in comparison, any other metric is a stupid metric, and that if you stop and think about it, the final value of my metric is pretty self-evident if you’re a self-respecting libtard. My libtard friends then get flustered; I point out that there are people other that Americans living in other places, and they’re still human.
This is not to say that I don’t think Trump should be removed by any legitimate means possible – he should; he represents an existential threat – but rather that he’s got a lot less blood on his hands than anyone since Jimmy Carter.
At least, until the Kurds and Syria. Dumping on former comrades-in-arms is pretty low. We’ll see how that turns out.
But he’s got a long way to go before he catches up with W. We should never forget that W was a way bigger cunt. Trump is a lot of crazy bullshit, but there aren’t a million corpses – at least, not yet. But until there are, he’s actually doing alright on the scale of human suffering inflicted by US administrations.
Still, they need to put Trump in the paddy-wagon. He’s bonkers.
I actually feel kind of bad for him for not being allowed to have the G7 party at his place. I think he really just wanted to play the gracious host, deep in his comfort zone; perversely, it might have actually worked out rather well. He’s a simple soul.
With 8000 nuclear warheads.
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Post by kirinke on Oct 20, 2019 14:10:28 GMT
They're crazy too. Nobody sane supports Trump. Also, the people shot by the right far outstrips those shot by the left.
I blame the Zero-Tolerance movement. In practice, it sadly targets the victims more than the ones doing the victimizing.
False equivalency because that example is more show-casing how 'Zero-Tolerance' screws the victim instead of the perpetrator.
Please, I think Kzach and 3cat are both screaming ninnies (each in their own opposite yet the same way). After all, I sometimes, rarely, occasionally, once in a blue moon, agree with you.
I just fundamentally disagree with you on alot of things.
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 20, 2019 16:58:05 GMT
So you think it's perfectly alright for nutters to have access to weapons of mass death, to be able to spew hate and racial cleansing nonsense, to be able to assemble into hate groups, to be able to refuse service for being 'other'.
To answer your questions. 1. No. 2. Yes. 3. Yes. It's only a problem if they start hurting/intimidating people. 4. Yes. |
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 20, 2019 17:01:19 GMT
Republicans who follow Trump are not by any definition "sane". Well, that's just an objectively false statement. In fact, the person making such a statement is less likely to be sane than most Trump supporters.
You've bought into the media and political kool-aid I see. Handguns kill several times more people than automatic weapons do. If you really want to save lives, you should concentrate on handguns. |
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Post by evileeyore on Oct 20, 2019 22:54:21 GMT
Nobody sane supports Trump. Right... and that's why you're a loon. Which makes it okay and excusable. Of course. Shift the blame from the policy of 'criminalizing' Hate Speech to something else. Bravo. Keeping in mind that if Hate Speech were tolerated as Free Speech he'd have been fine to tell a student to stop call him a nigger. There is no evidence that there was a 'zero tolerance' policy in place, however there is clear evidence of a Hate Speech policy... That's because you've taken CCN's talking points to heart without understanding them. And since you skipped it, I'll ask again, since you hate weapons of 'mass death' why are you okay with cars being legal when they account for more deaths per year in the US than guns? |
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Post by Kzach on Oct 21, 2019 1:58:51 GMT
I guess there are some significant differences between the US and Germany. The last time someone could be considered ANTIFA murdered people seems a few decades ago, but there have been recent and more frequents events of people that seem t fit the NAZI label murdering people. (Oh, and also of curse Islamists.) But it's understandeable that even in Germany, the Left are considered more threatening. The Left will lights up cars, while the Right lights up immigrants, and most people own cars, but very few own any immigrants. There are no Nazis, or at least no more than a few rabid individuals that qualify as Nazis. The real Nazis set the bar for what it takes to be one, and dressing up in a Nazi uniform, calling yourself a Nazi and just hating people doesn't qualify. To be a Nazi you have to shoot Jewish infants in the head, gas people to death by the millions, invade countries and force them to capitulate to you, and so on. It's a very high bar that only the few crazies that actually shoot up Jewish synagogues achieve. Only killers were Nazis? Moron. |
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 21, 2019 12:10:47 GMT
There are no Nazis, or at least no more than a few rabid individuals that qualify as Nazis. The real Nazis set the bar for what it takes to be one, and dressing up in a Nazi uniform, calling yourself a Nazi and just hating people doesn't qualify. To be a Nazi you have to shoot Jewish infants in the head, gas people to death by the millions, invade countries and force them to capitulate to you, and so on. It's a very high bar that only the few crazies that actually shoot up Jewish synagogues achieve. Only killers were Nazis? Moron. I'll try again, since I understand that you are a simpleton and this is hard for you. The Nazi GROUP engaged in those atrocities, even if some individuals did not. There are no groups like that in the U.S. None. Zero. Nil. There are only the rare crazy individuals who engage in these acts. |
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