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Post by Devoid on Oct 21, 2019 13:53:04 GMT
Only killers were Nazis? Moron. I'll try again, since I understand that you are a simpleton and this is hard for you. The Nazi GROUP engaged in those atrocities, even if some individuals did not. There are no groups like that in the U.S. None. Zero. Nil. There are only the rare crazy individuals who engage in these acts. Yeah, we just have the Klan. |
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Post by Kzach on Oct 21, 2019 14:18:41 GMT
Only killers were Nazis? Moron. I'll try again, since I understand that you are a simpleton and this is hard for you. The Nazi GROUP engaged in those atrocities, even if some individuals did not. There are no groups like that in the U.S. None. Zero. Nil. There are only the rare crazy individuals who engage in these acts. You have the KKK and many other hate groups. Even Nazis like the ones who started the Daily Stormer. Moron. |
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Post by kirinke on Oct 21, 2019 14:44:09 GMT
I skipped it because it's a famous right wing finger pointer. IE but whatabout.
I'm not falling into that trap.
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Post by Devoid on Oct 21, 2019 19:48:18 GMT
Why are you okay with cars being legal when they account for more deaths per year in the US than guns? Motor vehicles (cars) have been designed for moving people and items from one location to another. Guns have been designed specifically to kill. If we remove deaths attributed to suicide (reduces a significant number of gun deaths) and negligent homicide (distracted/impaired driving and accidental deaths from driving and improper gun use) and focus on murder (deliberate act) how do the two compare then? |
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Post by evileeyore on Oct 21, 2019 22:30:22 GMT
...focus on murder (deliberate act) how do the two compare then? I don't know, why not dig up some statistics and we can have that discussion. |
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 22, 2019 0:42:07 GMT
You have the KKK and many other hate groups. Even wannabe poser-Nazis like the ones who started the Daily Stormer. Moron. Fixed that for you. Yes, there are racist asshole hate groups. There are no groups of real Nazis. |
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 22, 2019 0:43:07 GMT
I'll try again, since I understand that you are a simpleton and this is hard for you. The Nazi GROUP engaged in those atrocities, even if some individuals did not. There are no groups like that in the U.S. None. Zero. Nil. There are only the rare crazy individuals who engage in these acts. Yeah, we just have the Klan. Sure, but what has the Klan really done as a group in the last 20 years? |
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Post by Kzach on Oct 22, 2019 1:20:47 GMT
You have the KKK and many other hate groups. Even wannabe poser-Nazis like the ones who started the Daily Stormer. Moron. Fixed that for you. Yes, there are racist asshole hate groups. There are no groups of real Nazis. Appeal to purity. You fail. Again. |
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Post by Devoid on Oct 22, 2019 2:43:09 GMT
Why are you okay with cars being legal when they account for more deaths per year in the US than guns? The CDC has provided 2017 mortality stats regarding injury deaths, poisoning deaths, motor vehicle traffic deaths, and firearm deaths1: All injury deaths - Number of deaths: 243,039
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 74.6
All poisoning deaths - Number of deaths: 75,354
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 23.1
Motor vehicle traffic deaths - Number of deaths: 38,659
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 11.9
All firearm deaths - Number of deaths: 39,773
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 12.2
Per the published report2, there were ~2.8% more firearms deaths (39,733) than motor vehicle traffic deaths (38,659) in 2017. It will be interesting to see if this is also the case for 2018 and 2019.
2www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf...focus on murder (deliberate act) how do the two compare then? I don't know, why not dig up some statistics and we can have that discussion. I'll keep you posted once I find the data for these stats. |
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 22, 2019 5:44:28 GMT
Fixed that for you. Yes, there are racist asshole hate groups. There are no groups of real Nazis. Appeal to purity. You fail. Again.  |
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 22, 2019 5:48:21 GMT
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 23.1
Motor vehicle traffic deaths - Number of deaths: 38,659
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 11.9
All firearm deaths - Number of deaths: 39,773
- Deaths per 100,000 population: 12.2
Per the published report2, there were ~2.8% more firearms deaths (39,733) than motor vehicle traffic deaths (38,659) in 2017. It will be interesting to see if this is also the case for 2018 and 2019.
It doesn't really matter if that is the case or not. Why? A few reasons, 1) Because once you remove suicides from each category, cars surge ahead. Suicide isn't the fault of anyone or anything other than the one offing himself, and 2) Because Evil Pooh Critter added cars to the list as an item that causes mass death, which they still do even if they are slightly behind guns. |
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Post by Ovinomancer on Oct 22, 2019 10:13:42 GMT
Why are you okay with cars being legal when they account for more deaths per year in the US than guns? Motor vehicles (cars) have been designed for moving people and items from one location to another. Guns have been designed specifically to kill. If we remove deaths attributed to suicide (reduces a significant number of gun deaths) and negligent homicide (distracted/impaired driving and accidental deaths from driving and improper gun use) and focus on murder (deliberate act) how do the two compare then? Intentionally killing someone is already a serious crime with serious repercussions. What will criminalizing the means add? Whereas accidental death, through negligence or mishandling, seems something you.might address. Yet, here, cares far exceed guns. Why no concern? The fun thing about US gun crime rates is that if you control for gang violence in a few cities, the US rates fall to very close to other OECD countries. We don't have a gun probkem, we have a gang problem. There's just a focus on the tools of gang problems as if you're squeaky door can be fixed by banning oil. |
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Post by Maxperson on Oct 22, 2019 12:11:06 GMT
The fun thing about US gun crime rates is that if you control for gang violence in a few cities, the US rates fall to very close to other OECD countries. We don't have a gun probkem, we have a gang problem. There's just a focus on the tools of gang problems as if you're squeaky door can be fixed by banning oil. That analogy only works if you are suggesting that the fix for the gang problem is to shoot all of the gang members. Otherwise, guns don't equate to oil. You can work to restrict guns for not only the homicide problem, but also the suicide problem. Guns make suicide quick and easy, and I'm sure that many people who would otherwise kill themselves, would survive to get the help they need if the easy way out was gone. |
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Post by Kzach on Oct 22, 2019 13:54:05 GMT
Intentionally killing someone is already a serious crime with serious repercussions. What will criminalizing the means add? Limit access to reduce* murders. Firearms make murder, and suicide, easier and more efficient. Especially the impulsive kind. It is easier to go get your gun and shoot your wife after a fight, than getting your car and drive it un site the house to kill her. And it works. In Australia we reduced access to firearms and they were less used against people. We did not see a rise in murders by cars or by knives. It should work in the US. Even if you are dumber than Australians... *Cause that is the goal of criminalisation. Reduction/eradication of certain acts. |
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Post by mustrumridcully on Oct 22, 2019 14:26:08 GMT
So it seems the answer is easy, let the gangs and depressive emigrate to Australia, Germany or the UK. They won't have easy access to guns here, so they will commit less murders or suicides.
But of course, it will make the Deutsche Bahn even less punctual and reliable than it already is.
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