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Post by Kzach on Nov 18, 2019 16:41:00 GMT
Political scientist don't debate about "Classical Liberalism" vs. "New Liberalism" just for the helluvit. Scholars not debating just for the helluvit? You must live south of Akron, Ohio. Glad you're finally catching up and understand Republicans are promoting an agenda influenced by liberal ideology in this case: the free market of realities ideas. Keep at it and you'll add something constructive to the conversation at some point. Maybe. |
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Post by evileeyore on Nov 18, 2019 21:45:24 GMT
I agree, The American Liberal party is also shifting to the right. I... what? The Left keeps going further left. The Right keeps being drug left, as is what usually happens as last years liberal ideas become tradition. Authoritarianism is neither left nor right and is very much both Left and Right. |
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Post by Ovinomancer on Nov 19, 2019 0:49:37 GMT
I agree, The American Liberal party is also shifting to the right. I... what? The Left keeps going further left. The Right keeps being drug left, as is what usually happens as last years liberal ideas become tradition. Authoritarianism is neither left nor right and is very much both Left and Right. Yeah. Trump and Bill Clinton are interchangeable, at least position-wise. The Overton window has definitely slid leftwards. I now await the outrage absent any actual analysis because I dared say the above. |
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Post by evileeyore on Nov 19, 2019 3:06:30 GMT
Trump and Bill Clinton are interchangeable, at least position-wise. They are both Blue Dog Democrats after all... I'm glad dinkledog isn't here anymore, he be savaging you wildly. Just you, as I'd push you in front his bus... |
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Post by kirinke on Nov 19, 2019 12:36:14 GMT
Not really. Trump is and has always been for Trump. He doesn't have friends, only tools and lickspittle yes men.
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Post by Ovinomancer on Nov 19, 2019 12:45:43 GMT
Not really. Clinton is and has always been for Clinton. He doesn't have friends, only tools and lickspittle yes men and Jeffrey Epstein. Fixt. |
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Post by Kzach on Nov 19, 2019 16:35:11 GMT
Clinton is still in office or is Cuntmancer stuck in the 90s with his whataboutism?
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Post by Scarbonac on Nov 19, 2019 17:16:50 GMT
Trump and Bill Clinton are interchangeable, at least position-wise. Wot??? "Outrage"? "Dared"? |
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Post by Ovinomancer on Nov 19, 2019 19:28:52 GMT
Trump and Bill Clinton are interchangeable, at least position-wise. Wot??? "Outrage"? "Dared"? Way to buck that prediction! |
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Post by Libtard on Nov 19, 2019 20:40:59 GMT
I... what? The Left keeps going further left. The Right keeps being drug left, as is what usually happens as last years liberal ideas become tradition. Authoritarianism is neither left nor right and is very much both Left and Right. Yeah. Trump and Bill Clinton are interchangeable, at least position-wise. The Overton window has definitely slid leftwards. I now await the outrage absent any actual analysis because I dared say the above. The Overton window has been sliding "Left" - i.e. away from established conservative mores, whatever they might currently be - since the Enlightenment.
The principle difference between Trump and any other politician is that most others have the wherewithal to pretend that they aren't malignant narcissists, and to maintain the polite fiction of civility. Politicians and other people who seek to accrue and broker power are almost definitionally sociopathic, but we need certain agreed fictions for society to function smoothly.
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Post by evileeyore on Nov 19, 2019 21:33:32 GMT
... we need certain agreed fictions for society to function smoothly. Do we? Or would the trains run even more smoothly if everyone stopped lying and just accepted what can't be fixed and fought to fix what could, instead of lying about can and can't get done in order to get what they prefer fixed over what needs to be fixed. |
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Post by Libtard on Nov 19, 2019 21:55:06 GMT
... we need certain agreed fictions for society to function smoothly. Do we? Or would the trains run even more smoothly if everyone stopped lying and just accepted what can't be fixed and fought to fix what could, instead of lying about can and can't get done in order to get what they prefer fixed over what needs to be fixed. Right, I'm sure they'll all stop lying now, and agree on what they need as opposed to what they prefer.
I'll take your pie-in-the-sky, and raise you a crème brûlée amid the firmament.
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Post by evileeyore on Nov 19, 2019 22:10:21 GMT
Right, I'm sure they'll all stop lying now, and agree on what they need as opposed to what they prefer. I never said they would. I said, "We don't need the 'polite' fiction". In fact, the 'agreed upon fictions' are only making things worse. It's time to burn it all down and start fresh from the ashes. |
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Post by Libtard on Nov 19, 2019 22:39:02 GMT
Agreed-upon fictions are all that we have.
Why? To invent a new set of agreed-upon fictions?
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Post by Kzach on Nov 20, 2019 0:52:58 GMT
Agreed-upon fictions are all that we have Sounds like someone read Yuval Noah Harari. |
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